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State of the TIC Market: May 2010

Posted by insidesfre on May 24, 2010

I’m often asked how different segments of the San Francisco market are doing, and inquiries about the TIC market are at the top of the list. We’re almost halfway through 2010 (I know), so I thought a market update on our tenancy-in-common activity was in order.

The bottom line: The TIC market is definitely hurting a bit, but it’s not in dire straits by any means. There are, however, two key factors that have contributed to the weakness in the TIC segment. The first is that the condo market has declined, so buyers who may have once only been able to afford a TIC are now looking at the possibility of a condo purchase. And second, if there are less qualified buyers in general these days, there are even less qualified buyers for TICs. The most common TIC loan type—the fractional, or individual loan—carries a high interest rate, has a 25%+ down payment requirement, significant cash reserve requirements, and is only available in adjustable-rate form.

There are 203 TIC interests on the market to date, and they’ve been sitting on the market for an average of 72 days, at an average list price of $646,467. And there are 82 TICs in contract (two are above $1M). A total of 117 TICs have sold since the beginning of the year at an average of $594,637. (So clearly there’s room to come down in price for the current average list price.)

A bulk of the TICs purchased since January sold for under their asking prices—something to consider when you’re making an offer on one. The most prominent example of this pattern was over at 2461 Post (at Baker), a 5BR/3BA TIC unit with two levels listed in May 2009 at $950,000. It sold this past March for for $777,000.

If you’re considering a TIC purchase because you think you’ll get more space or a better neighborhood for your money, you could be right. But consider all the angles, and know that if you’re buying a TIC interest with a fractional loan, it’s likely you’ll be selling a TIC interest with a fractional loan. That means your resale buyer pool will be limited to those who can meet those strict requirements. And the jury is out regarding which lenders will continue granting fractional loans by the time you’re ready to sell. Make sure you work with a very experienced, knowledgeable real estate agent, mortgage broker/lender, and title company. And have an attorney review key documents. It might cost you a few hundred dollars for a legal review, but you can’t imagine the headaches those few hundred dollars may save you in the long run.

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Join Next Week’s Condo Conversion Rally at City Hall

Posted by insidesfre on January 27, 2010

My friends at Plan C are organizing a rally on the steps of City Hall next week, in support of expediting condo conversion. Here’s the lowdown, straight from Plan C:

“Please join Plan C at 8:15AM on Wednesday, Feb. 3, on the City Hall steps for a rally to support condo conversion reform! As many of you know, the condo lottery drawing happens at 9AM on February 3, and we’ll be done in time for you to attend the lottery itself.

You may have read within the last few months in the Chronicle and in the Examiner that the mayor’s office is considering again the possibility of a condo-lottery bypass initiative for qualifying TIC owners.

As you are already aware, expediting the conversion of owner occupied TICs to condominiums would help bring ownership and mortgage relief to middle income San Franciscans and has the potential to bring significant revenue to the city during this time of budget and financial distress. The revenue collected could have a meaningful impact to the city’s bottom line and has the potential to save crucial city jobs and services from further cuts.

The expediting of TICs to condominiums would be facilitated by the payment of a specified fee to the City that is higher and in addition to the usual mapping and permit fees collected from winners of the current condo conversion lottery. The fee would likely only be available to owner occupied TICs that are lottery eligible.

The proposed fee for the bypass of the lottery hasn’t been set, and we would like to again call on you for your input. The fee has to be low enough for TIC owners to be willing to pay it (and to be fair) – but also high enough to be meaningful to the City’s budget deficit. Initial discussions concerning the development of this initiative have considered fees in the $20,000-40,000 range per unit or 5-10% of a unit’s value.

As usual, we encourage you to email the supervisors (particularly your supervisor) on the need for condo reform by going to our Plan C Web site and clicking on “‘Contact City Hall.’”

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State of the TIC Market in San Francisco

Posted by insidesfre on January 22, 2010

Despite their risky and complex nature, tenancy-in-common (TIC) interest sales made a strong showing in 2009.

A total of 403 TIC interests sold last year, for an average of $603,780. Units spent an average of 92 days on market (DOM), and that lengthy timeframe doesn’t seem to be shortening. Of the 403 TICs sold, 162 sold in the fourth quarter of 2009, at an average of $586,755. September and October saw 73 TICs selling, and surprisingly, 89 interests sold in the last two months of 2009. Buyers apparently weren’t slowed down by the holidays in this property category, either.

Though two- and three-unit buildings were popular—with 26 and 25 interests selling, respectively—the big winner was the six-unit building category. A total of 42 TICs sold in six-unit properties. Ultimately, all but 51 TICs were sold in 4-21-unit properties in the fourth quarter of 2009, meaning an awful lot of buyers qualified for the restrictive and often costly fractional/individual financing used on such properties.

As we head into 2010, I’m seeing 66 TIC interests in contract at an average list price of $568,561, and they’ve spent an average of 140 days on market.

There are 97 TICs on the market now, ranging in price from $330,000 for a 2BR/1BA interest that just came back on the market in a seven-unit building in Nob Hill, to a “house-like, eco-friendly” 2BR/2BA listed at $1,295,000 in a three-unit building that features Alcatraz and Bay views.

On the downside, it’s taking an average of 20+ years to condo convert three- to six-unit buildings purchased now, according to TIC attorney specialist Andy Sirkin, who recently gave in an-person update at our sales meeting. And for existing TIC owners who have been in the lottery multiple times, it’s looking like seven-year lottery candidates will be the big winners this year. So if you’ve been in the lottery for less than seven years, it’s unlikely you’ll “win” the right to condo convert this year (or, actually, next year).

Sellers, note that if all your ducks are in a row and your property presentation and financing details are solid, there is a good chance your TIC interest will sell—but it may take time to land the right, qualified buyer. It’s critical to have your financing, legal, title company, and Realtor team in place and on the same page before you come anywhere near putting your property on the market.

And buyers, consider TICs if you understand all the details involved (and of course, can qualify/afford the financing offered). There’s a lot of homework to do up front, and I pretty much give my buyers in this property category an unofficial seminar—and insist that they speak with a real estate attorney—before they (and I) are convinced TICs are the right option for them.

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More Condo Lottery Craziness

Posted by insidesfre on November 19, 2009

Tickets for San Francisco’s annual condo lottery go on sale Monday. And there’s something you should know, as per my friends at Plan C: The City may be denying additional lottery tickets to buildings that qualify with the minimum qualifications. (Generally, this means one owner-occupied unit for each of the last three years in 2-4 unit buildings, and three owner-occupied units for each of the last three years in 5-6 unit buildings.)

Historically, lottery priority and the issuance of additional tickets have required that one of the qualifying owner-occupants have been owners (but not necessarily occupants) during each of the previous lottery losses.

The change for the last couple of years and for 2010 is that the Department of Public Works (DPW) appears to have a new interpretation of written law. To establish priority credit (additional tickets), DPW is requiring that each of the qualifying owner-occupants be the same original owner occupants that were unsuccessful in past lotteries.

Simply put, your building might qualify for the 2010 lottery and receive one ticket, but unlike in years past, may not be entitled to additional tickets based upon unsuccessful previous lottery participation.

Plan C is reaching out to see if there are other TIC groups where this situation is likely to have an impact. If you’re facing the same issue, or would face this issue if one of your fellow TIC co-owners were to sell their interest, let Plan C know and they’ll put you in contact with other similarly situated people. Send them an e-mail at info@plancsf.org.

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Fractional TIC Loans Thrive in San Francisco Market

Posted by insidesfre on September 25, 2009

I was surprised to hear recently that lender NCB recently suspended its fractional loan program. Which made me think: Are fractional loans here to stay? Are buyers risking the ultimate integrity of their multi-unit TIC ownership by assuming the individual loans will be available when they are ready to sell?

Fractional loans are apparently performing quite well, thank you, according to Sterling Bank’s Henry Jeanes. He says that Sterling is committed to offering its fractional loan product, a decision fueled by the consistent popularity of TIC interests among San Francisco buyers (particularly of the first-time variety).

Jeanes is presently seeing about five TIC loans closing per month at Sterling, and 15-20 loans closing monthly among all the lenders. Many clients he’s worked with who can afford less than, say, $800,000, are still turning to TICs, as TICs still offer more bang for the buck (especially if you’re looking for a quintessential Victorian/Edwardian flat, for example).

Jeanes expects more fractional TIC lenders to enter the market in the future; the borrowers for these loans are attractive in that they meet stringent financial requirements. (Full doc, and a minimum of 700 for a credit score, for starters.)

Lenders are also fairly careful about how many of these fractional loans they authorize. So I’m thinking that if the loans continue to perform well, there may be less of a risk such loans will ultimately disappear. Indeed, 249 TIC interests have sold so far in 2009, at an average price of $616,573.

But before you run out and start going to open houses for 3-6 unit TIC interests, do your homework. Get a sense for the details, and know what you’re getting into. TICs are not for everyone.

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TICs Avoid Foreclosure Wave

Posted by insidesfre on September 19, 2009

Last week, our reader The Real Estate Whisperer asked about the health of the TIC loan industry.

TICs apparently have an excellent track record when it comes to foreclosures, according to Henry Jeanes at Sterling Bank—one of the primary TIC lenders. Jeanes confirmed that apart from one TIC owner in Oakland who was heading for foreclosure (which was ultimately avoided), Jeanes isn’t aware of any lenders foreclosing on a TIC interest.

Good news, particularly with the mix of group and fractional loans. Jeanes attributes the loan success to the strict TIC loan requirements.

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Capp Compound Seeks Crafty Buyer

Posted by insidesfre on September 11, 2009

428cappFor those yearning for an Arts & Crafts-style compound in the heart of the Mission, 428 Capp will certainly do the trick.

This two-story home with a rear carriage house sits on a 6,125 square foot lot right at Capp and 19th Street. It was last sold for $1,085,000 in October 2006, but is now listed at $1,295,000.

All the architectural trappings are there—stained glass, massive brick fireplace, and lots of woodwork. The property is being sold with plans and permits for a major remodel to both structures, and a variance to turn the carriage house into a second living space.

There’s also four-car tandem parking. I’m thinking this could be a great opportunity for some sweat equity, my friends. The front house is perfectly livable, but the idea of a compound in the sun belt sounds good to me.

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TIC Lender Targets Noe Valley

Posted by insidesfre on September 10, 2009

Word on the street is that Marin-based Circle Bank is planning to open a branch on Noe Valley’s 24th Street. The bank reportedly believes the demographics in Noe and its immediately surrounding neighborhoods are very similar to that of Marin (no shock there).

With 229 TIC interests having sold since January for an average price of $622,606, it doesn’t appear the TIC market is drying up. Circle’s fractional loan product is the go-to loan for TIC purchases in 3+ unit buildings. (Fractional loans allow TIC owners to be responsible for their own, individual loan vs. all owners sharing a loan.)

I’m betting that fellow TIC and fractional loan specialist Sterling Bank, located at Church and 24th Street, can’t be too happy about its future neighbor. What do you think, Noe neighbors?

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TICs Loans Available, But Affordable?

Posted by insidesfre on March 30, 2009

I’m being contacted regularly by buyers in the $400,000-$500,000 price range, who are exploring real estate purchase possibilities. Many such individuals have been renting for a while, and are starting to feel that owning their first home is within reach.

Though condo prices are declining, the bulk of the units in this range currently on the market are tenancy-in-common (TIC) units in 3+ unit buildings. (This is an ownership scenario wherein you own an interest in a building, not the unit itself.

TIC units in this price range will typically involve “fractional” financing—all owners obtain individual loans. (This is in contrast to the traditional TIC loan of the past, wherein all owners were on one group loan.)

The TIC interests themselves are priced within first-time home buyer range, but how many buyers can actually qualify for these fractional loans?

A quick check with Henry Jeanes over at Sterling Bank reveals that TIC buyers for fractional loans will have to meet the following requirements:
- Minimum of 20% down (rates are at 7.25% with 20% down; they get lower as your down payment increases)
- Credit score of 700 (for W2 employees)
- Proof of at least six months of reserves on hand, post closing.

Of course, sellers are working within the confines of these requirements, and it is possible for buyers to negotiate rate buydowns and other financial incentives in order to complete a sale. And some sellers are able to offer slightly lower interest rates on renovated buildings in which a lender like Sterling is already providing the underlying commercial financing. (This is the case at 450 Vallejo at Kearny, a five-unit TIC offering.)

But it’s good to for first-time home buyers to know the initial cost of ownership for these types of purchases.

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TICs vs. Condos on 3rd Ave

Posted by insidesfre on March 27, 2009

617_3rdMy broker tour brought me to Third Avenue between Balboa and Cabrillo this week, to check out two TICs and one condo all listed in a similar price range. 673 3rd (above) is a 2+BR/2BA Edwardian TIC, listed at $895,000. This top-floor unit has been recently renovated, and is about 1725 square feet. Though it has one-car parking and storage, there’s no outdoor space. That’s because the other, first-floor unit—soon to be on the market after its own renovations are complete—spans two levels, and has a deeded garden. (The master suite is on the garage level, so a shared yard would obliterate any sense of privacy.) Stay tuned for this lower unit: It’s about 2,000+ square feet, has two-car parking, and is expected to be priced at about $100,000 more than the top floor.

673_3rdNext up was 673 3rd, a 3BR/2BA first-floor TIC unit priced at $819,000. This unit is also remodeled, and has a solid floorplan. The landscaped garden is shared, and the owner of the whole two-unit building will stay on in the top unit to complete a condo conversion.

692_3rd692 3rd enjoys the best curb appeal of the three. It’s a 3BR/1BA, top-floor unit with a large, deeded undeveloped attic space. This will close as a condo, and the unit’s listed at $835,000. It seems the owners of the building will stay on and live in the lower unit.

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